Adding Aviom functionality

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  • #37754
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    tdfriday
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    The set up is T112>iDr48, loaded with a dante card for recording. We currently use an analog board for monitors and feeding our Aviom system. I’d like to clean up our setup by getting rid of the analog board and mix monitors from FOH. What I am trying to figure out is how best to feed the Aviom. I don’t have enough outputs on the iDr48 to feed it, so my thoughts were to add an iDr-16 with an Aviom card (MMO). I just read that I would have to connect the expander via ACE in port B, but my port B already has Dante.
    Help me figure this out, please. How can I add Aviom connectivity without using up all my ports on the iDr48, while keeping Dante.
    Thanks in advance,
    Tdf

    #37755
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    Nicola A&H
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    On a fixed format iLive, the only way you can get Dante + Aviom is by running two xDR expanders off an ACE card in Port B of the iDR.

    Have you considered switching to our ME-1 personal mixers? These would take a Dante feed from your iDR-48 via the ME-U hub, plus you get channel names from the iLive and up to 40 channels to play with (which means less groups and buses wasted at FoH for monitoring duties). You can start by getting a ME-1 as a drop-in replacement in your current Aviom system, get familiar with it, then later swap the analogue console for a ME-U hub.

    #37760
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    tdfriday
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    Thanks for the suggestion. That was one consideration, however, for budget reasons I couldn’t replace the full aviom system with an ME system at this time. But, are you suggesting that I can begin the conversion by getting an ME-U hub and connect the avioms to it?

    #37767
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    ahjeff
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    Hi tdfriday

    You can use a ME-1 as a drop-in replacement for an Aviom A-16II in a 16-channel Aviom system. This works by the ME-1 detecting an Aviom input, and switching to a compatible mode.

    The ME-U always outputs A&H dSnake, so you cannot plug an Aviom A-16II unit into it. It might have been nice to allow the ME-U to output an Aviom compatible stream, but the hardware inside the ME-U simply doesn’t allow it.

    Hope this helps

    – Jeff, A&H

    #37836
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    Liquid
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    (Sorry to butt in here but Jeff’s answer is interesting to me for other reasons, hope you don’t mind and manage to get things working, tdifriday).

    Hi Jeff, I’m assuming from what you said above that you could plug a second (third) ME-1 into the first ME-1 plugged into the Aviom and you’d still get, essentially, the Aviom feed going through?

    I.e. this would work:

    A-16II -> A-16II -> ME-1 -> ME-1

    but this wouldn’t:

    A-16II -> A-16II -> ME-1 -> A-16II

    Many thanks, Alan.

    #37839
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    ahjeff
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    Hi Alan

    If the ME-1 is receiving an Aviom stream, the exact same stream is transmitted down the ‘Link Out’ socket. So both of your scenarios above will work.

    It’s only the ME-U outputs that you can never connect an A-16II to. You can however plug the output of an A-16II (or any other Aviom 16-channel stream) into the ME-D input, for the ME-U to receive audio.

    A-16II -> A-16II -> ME-1 -> ME-1 -> ME-U -> ME-1
    A-16II -> A-16II -> ME-1 -> A-16II -> ME-U -> ME-1
    A-16II -> ME-U -> ME-1
    (other Aviom source) -> ME-U -> ME-1 -> ME-1
    (other Aviom source) -> ME-1 -> ME-1

    All of the above scenarios work. The scenario below does not work:

    ME-U -> A-16II

    Obviously if an Aviom source is being used, you are limited to 16 channels of audio throughout the system.

    Cheers

    – Jeff, A&H

    #37844
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    Liquid
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    Very useful answer Jeff, many thanks 🙂

    #37869
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    tdfriday
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    Ok, thanks I understand. However, I think I’ve figured out a solution. If I add an xDR16, then I now have enough output ports to feed 16 to my Aviom 16i, and still have enough for my other feeds. I know the xDr doesn’t add any DSP, but it will give me enough physical ports to do what I originally intended. Still need an ACE card, but I can move the Dante card to the xDr.
    Thanks!

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