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6 outputs for surround ???

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2016/03/19 at 8:27 am #54649

Belfast
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Hi All
Im setting up my qu 32 as a in house with 6 monitors, but here is the thing, I have a surround system as well
so what i want is to have these outputs but still have 6 monitors

Rear L,
Rear R,
Middle L,
Middle R
Front L = Master L
Front R = Master R
Middel = could be 1 of the 6 monitors
Sub = Alt Out

what way to do this ? i thought i could use Groups but Groups also sends it to master which is no good

Help anyone ?

Cheers S. Kelly

2016/03/19 at 10:13 am #54651

cornelius78
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By default the groups are assigned to LR, but they can be un-assigned from LR.

2016/03/19 at 1:18 pm #54653

MarkPAman
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The groups can be changed into additional stereo Mix outputs, since firmware update – 1.8. See page 39

Depending on how you’d like to work it, the matrix outs may be useful to you as well.

2016/03/19 at 3:35 pm #54657

Anonymous
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How different are your mid/rear mixes?

2016/03/19 at 8:49 pm #54660

Anonymous
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You cannot go directly from a channel into a matrix send, however subgroups or mix outs can.
Proportionally.
I have set up similar to this scenario where I stumbled across this so I’m sure it can be done.
QU32 is ideal for this as You have lots of surface faders to use your custom layer. Or of course the QuPad app.
ANd subs from mix 9/10
Hope this helps, food for thought

2016/03/21 at 1:06 am #54668

dpdan
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make sure that whatever outputs you use, assign them all to a single DCA so that you have one fader that is used to raise and lower everything equally, just like a home theater system would.

2016/03/21 at 7:47 am #54674

Anonymous
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dpdan – that would be a nice thing to be able to do – configure the master fader to act as a “master DCA”

Either by physically having that fader act on a DCA, not the master volume

Or by tying a DCA on the OTHER outputs to the master volume value.

2016/03/21 at 7:51 am #54675

Anonymous
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Yes my thoughts exactly.
Brilliant idea.

2016/03/22 at 8:29 am #54694

dpdan
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I was suggesting that all the master faders for the outputs being used would be assigned to a DCA and that DCA (on the custom layer) would be the master, just like the big volume knob on the home theater receiver. 🙂

2016/03/22 at 10:32 am #54699

Anonymous
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Yes – but then the ‘obvious’ control to grab would not do what you want…

2016/03/23 at 7:23 pm #54726

dpdan
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if you are the operator that set it up, the obvious fader to grab is the appropriate DCA fader on the custom layer.

2016/03/23 at 8:14 pm #54727

Anonymous
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all the master faders for the outputs being used would be assigned to a DCA and that DCA (on the custom layer) would be the master

This is how is see this scenario as well.
I experimented with quad sound out in a park about 25 years, quite unsucessfully I might add as back then didnt have matrix’s or the sends available now.
So I am assuming dpdan is talking about 1 DCA Fader for all would be acceptable.

However on thinking about this [in a live sound scenario] you might still want to have just a L/R FOH still hapening for MC/speeches talk to audience etc…

So then what is the data (audio) that is assigned to mid/sides and rears?
EFX …? for a surround sound?

The original post didnt say if it was live sound, in PA reinforcement, fixed installation or a home theatre?

2016/03/24 at 4:30 am #54738

dpdan
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So then what is the data (audio) that is assigned to mid/sides and rears?
EFX …? for a surround sound?

You still have the freedom to route the speeches or MC to the main L/R only…
EFX and mid/sides etc. would still have only the appropriate channels routed to those outputs for the surround channels.

2016/03/24 at 10:52 am #54740

Anonymous
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if you are the operator that set it up, the obvious fader to grab is the appropriate DCA fader on the custom layer.

Nope – the obvious fader will remain the master fader on the right.
That’s what it’s there for after all….

Assuming it’s the only set up I ever used – I might be able to get used to it – but I doubt it.

2016/03/24 at 9:53 pm #54756

dpdan
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while this thread has some discussion about the use of DCAs, I will vent a little,
it has always aggravated me that when the DCA fader is moved it does not cause the associated faders to physically move.

I’m with you Bob, I wish A&H would allow us to assign outputs to a DCA BUT then choose the actual fader that the DCA is controlled by.
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