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Originally posted by tk2k

Hi Karl,

Can’t stress enough how good the iLive tutorial videos are, they give you a really fantastic overview of the console, and they are quite accuritly named, meaning if you are looking for one feature you can watch a 5 min video instead of skipping through a 2 hour training DVD. They’re on youtube on the A&H account

1: Yes, there’s an outputs screen, but also you can select a prefrence so when you hold the ALT VIEW button it’ll show the physical input or output its routed to.

2: There’s an outputs button under the touch screen. Has all that info in it.

3: iLive has 64 ‘channels’ of DSP power, you can double-soft-patch and so on, so no matter if its an idr-64 or -16 you have the same DSP. Channel 60 could be a clone of another input, and iPod in from the surface, or anything else. No real good way to tell you what it is without seeing it.

there’s a great web app called iLive Viewer https://www.ilive-t.com/viewer that will generate output paperworks etc from a showfile. Really useful for configs you are not familiar with.

iDR-48, T-112, Mixpad
College

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Hey tk,

Thanks for the reply..

1: Yes, there’s an outputs screen, but also you can select a prefrence so when you hold the ALT VIEW button it’ll show the physical input or output its routed to.

Preferences are set up to show scribble strip/input chan name normally. I can press the “Alt View” button and this does display the physical input for an input channel but it doesn’t display the physical output channel. This makes sense for an INPUT that may be routed to multiple destinations but for an Aux send, running to a physical output that feeds a stage wedge amp, it seems like there should be an easy way to see what physical output the send is going to.

2: There’s an outputs button under the touch screen. Has all that info in it.
I’ve been looking at the outputs screen. I did see it in one of the training videos on the A&H site, it’s mentioned briefly but theres no detailed description I can find that explains the symbology used.

For example, on the outputs screen, below the Main L/R buss’s, I can press the screen and it flips through multiple outputs that those buss’ are routed to. It seems to show routings to “B52” and “B53” (among others). This doesn’t seem to make much sense though since “B” group jacks are input’s on both the iDR48 and the xDR16….(physical output jacks being groups G,H & I on the iDR48 and group C on the xDR16).

3: iLive has 64 ‘channels’ of DSP power, you can double-soft-patch and so on, so no matter if its an idr-64 or -16 you have the same DSP. Channel 60 could be a clone of another input, and iPod in from the surface, or anything else. No real good way to tell you what it is without seeing it.

I feel fairly comfortable with the overall DSP structure (64 in, 32 buss, 32 out’s). Whats confusing me is that I can bring up screens that show input’s but, going back to my example of the SUB out, if I press the Alt View button, the SUB out MIx/Master strip does show S-B3 (curious why neither the Main L/R show anything). Seems to indicate that it’s routed to the mix surface output B3…problem is there’s nothing physically plugged into surface output B3. When I saw this I looked at the system diagrams from the original installer, they show the sub amp connected to physical jack I8 on the iDR48 rack. I can unplug that and the sub definitely is lost. But when I bring up the output’s screen for that jack, it says the source is a direct out from IP chan 60. When I bring up the input chan screen chan 60 shows nothing.

I’m guessing that Chan 60 may actually be DSP buss 60 and not an actual physical jack but i cant sort out a way to look at it.

Thanks for the link to the iLive viewer. I have captured copies of all Shows and scenes on a USB stick, I’ll print them out with the viewer and see if that makes more sense.

Thanks again for the reply, I know it’s difficult to give definitive answers on a forum like this (I may not even be phrasing the question, or describing the problem correctly) but I sure do appreciate you trying! Maybe I’ll see if I can print the viewer description of the show and attach it to a post. Would that make more sense?

Thanks and all the best!

Karl

Reference Point Recording
Salt Lake City, Ut.

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Originally posted by tk2k

Hi Karl,

I’m not sure about your alt view, mine does show it I believe. What firmware version is your console?
The output screen should give you something like this, where you can see what is patched to the outputs
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If you want to upload your show file I could take a look at it and try and sort some of this out. Is it possible your mains are being fed by matrix outs?

iDR-48, T-112, Mixpad
College

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tk,

First…many many thanks!!! Firmware was recently updated to v 1.9. As far as I understand it the matrix out’s are being used to feed a DVD recorder and a CD recorder. I dont think they’re being used to feed any of the house speakers.

I’m having to reverse engineer the setup and, while I do have system wiring diagrams, I’m discovering that many of the actual connections in the system dont match what the diagrams show…complicates the heck out of things.

I’ve attached the show file that’s being used (saved following the firmware update).

Just to summarize the system setup…

It’s an iDR48 rack at the stage. The iDR48 has an ACE card in port B that connects to the xDR16 located in the FOH balcony. The xDR16 has a DANTE card in port B which I believe was intended to provide multitrack recording capabilities using a PC in the FOH balcony (although that was never actually installed/setup by the installer).

I believe the T80 surface is connected, via ACE, to the iDR48 down on the stage

System is set up to provide main L/R and a sub out. The venue has multiple amp/speaker system (main L/R, rear sidefill speakers, downfill speakers ceiling mounted center of room further from the stage as well as overflow area speakers).

The main L/R out’s are routed to an EV Netmax 8000 which I think is being used to provide both signal delay and some eq processing to signals before fanning the main L/R signals out to the various amp’s.

I did upload the show file into the iLive viewer you mentioned. I was a little confused with what to set for the “Mix rack I/O configuration. Since I have an ACE card in port B of the iDR48 (master) rack, I guessed I would set the I/O configuration to “ACE B” (ignoring the DANTE card in port B of the slave xDR16).

Again, many thanks for the help!!!

Hmmm…tried uploading the show file but I get a 505 server error from the forum server. Not sure what thats about.

Let me try this, I ran the show file through iLive viewer and here is a sreen shot of the results…I hope….

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Start
System
Recording
Rent
Service
iLive Viewer

Deutsch
English

The pdf Reports are located on the right side

–> –> –> –> –>

Future versions of the iLive Viewer:

Version 1.1: Support of various scenes.
Release: April/May 2012
Version 1.2: Routing analysis. Compact summary tables on the assignment of inputs to buses, DCAs, etc.
Release: July 2012

Scene: Current Scene
Input channels
Channel (DSP) Name Phys. Input Direct Out Insert Send Insert Return
1 Pulpt Mix Rack Input A1
2 Red Port B ACE In 1
3 Orange Port B ACE In 2
4 Yellow Port B ACE In 3
5 Green Port B ACE In 4
6 Blue Port B ACE In 5
7 KeyVx Mix Rack Input F3
8 PnoVx Mix Rack Input F1
9 OgnVx Mix Rack Input E7
10 StgVx Mix Rack Input E6
11 Keys Mix Rack Input F2
Mixrack Out

G2

12 Piano Mix Rack Input E8
Mixrack Out

G1

13 OgnHi Mix Rack Input B7
14 OgnLo Mix Rack Input B8
15 Kick Mix Rack Input C1
16 Snare Mix Rack Input C2
17 HiHat Mix Rack Input C3
18 Tom L Mix Rack Input C4
19 Tom R Mix Rack Input C5
20 Ride Mix Rack Input C6
21 Cym L Mix Rack Input C7
22 Cym R Mix Rack Input C8
23 MstrL Mix Rack Input D1
24 MstrR Mix Rack Input D2
25 Bass Mix Rack Input F4
Mixrack Out

G4

26 Perc Mix Rack Input D2
27 Gtr 1 Mix Rack Input D3
Mixrack Out

G5

28 Gtr 2 Mix Rack Input D4
Mixrack Out

G6

29 ChrL1 Mix Rack Input B2
30 ChrL2 Mix Rack Input B3
31 Chr C Mix Rack Input B4
32 ChrR1 Mix Rack Input B5
33 ChrR2 Mix Rack Input B6
34 Baptm Port B ACE In 6
35 Aud L Port B ACE In 14
Port B

ACE Out 37

36 Aud R Port B ACE In 15
Port B

ACE Out 38

37 Band Mix Rack Input E5
38 CD Port B ACE In 9
39 iPod Port B ACE In 10
40 PrsPC
41 DVD Mix Rack Input F1
42 Video Mix Rack Input F2
43 43
44 44 Mix Rack Input F4
45 Winds Mix Rack Input D8
46 46 Mix Rack Input F6
47 47 Mix Rack Input F7
48 48 Mix Rack Input F8
49 49 Mix Rack Input G1
50 MYKE Mix Rack Input G2
51 51 Mix Rack Input G3
52 52 Mix Rack Input G4
53 53 Mix Rack Input G5
54 54 Mix Rack Input G6
55 55 Mix Rack Input G7
56 56 Mix Rack Input G8
57 57 Mix Rack Input H1
58 58 Mix Rack Input H2
59 59 Mix Rack Input H3
60 60 Port B ACE In 17
Mixrack Out

I8

61/62 61/62 L Surface Input A1
61/62 R Surface Input A2
63/64 63/64 L Mix Rack Input H7
63/64 R Mix Rack Input H8
FX
FX Unit Input Output
FX Unit 1 FX Send Bus
FX Send Bus

1 (REV1)
1 (REV1)

OP1: Input FX 1
OP2: Input FX 1
L (REV1)
R (REV1)
FX Unit 2 FX Send Bus
FX Send Bus

2 (REV2)
2 (REV2)

OP1: Input FX 2
OP2: Input FX 2
L (REV2)
R (REV2)
FX Unit 3 FX Send Bus
FX Send Bus

3 (DDL)
3 (DDL)

OP1: Input FX 3
OP2: Input FX 3
L (DDL)
R (DDL)
FX Unit 4 FX Send Bus
FX Send Bus

4 (ADT)
4 (ADT)

OP1: Input FX 4
OP2: Input FX 4
L (ADT)
R (ADT)
FX Unit 5 FX Send Bus
FX Send Bus

5 (SND5)
5 (SND5)

OP1: Input FX 5
OP2: Input FX 5
L (RTN5)
R (RTN5)
FX Unit 6 FX Send Bus
FX Send Bus

6 (SND6)
6 (SND6)

OP1: Input FX 6
OP2: Input FX 6
L (RTN6)
R (RTN6)
FX Unit 7

Mono Aux

5 (BDshk)

OP 6 : Mixrack Out
I5
FX Unit 8 Mono Aux

7 (ChrFB)

OP 1 : Mixrack Out
OP 6 : Mixrack Out
I7
I6
Mono Group
No. Name Ext. Input Insert Send Insert Return Outputs
1 Organ
Mixrack Out

G3
2 2
Stereo Group
No. Name Ext. Input Insert Send Insert Return Outputs
not available
Mono Aux
No. Name Ext. Input Insert Send Insert Return Outputs
1 Mon 1
Mixrack Out

I1
2 Mon 2
Mixrack Out

I2
3 Mon 3
Mixrack Out

I3
4 Mon 4
Mixrack Out
Port B

I4
ACE Out 39
5 BDshk
Surface Out
Port B
FX Unit 7

C1
ACE Out 40
IP 3
6 PCshk
Surface Out
Port B

C2
ACE Out 41
7 ChrFB
Surface Out
Port B
Port B
FX Unit 8

C3
ACE Out 36
ACE Out 42
IP 1
8 Sub
Surface Out
Port B

C4
ACE Out 43
9 Choir
Mixrack Out

H5
10 Stage
Mixrack Out

H6
11 Ambnt
Mixrack Out

H7
12 Ornge
Mixrack Out

H1
13 Yelow
Mixrack Out

H2
14 Green
Mixrack Out

H3
15 Blue
Mixrack Out

H4
16 MainL
Mixrack Out

H8
Stereo Aux
No. Name Ext. Input Insert Send Insert Return Outputs
1 Drums L
Mixrack Out
Surface Out

G7
C5
Drums R
Mixrack Out
Surface Out

G8
C6
2 Choir L
Choir R
Mono Matrix
No. Name Ext. Input Insert Send Insert Return Outputs
1 MainL
Mixrack Out
Surface Out
Surface Out
Surface Out

J1
B4
B1
C7
2 2
Mixrack Out
Surface Out
Surface Out

J2
B2
C8
Stereo Matrix
No. Name Ext. Input Insert Send Insert Return Outputs
1 DVDRC L
Mixrack Out
Surface Out
Surface Out
Surface Out

J5
B1
B5
D5
DVDRC R
Mixrack Out
Surface Out
Surface Out
Surface Out

J6
B2
B6
D6
Main
No. Name Ext. Input Insert Send Insert Return Outputs
Left L
Surface Out
Port B
Port B
Port B
Port B
Port B

D1
ACE Out 1
ACE Out 17
ACE Out 33
ACE Out 51
ACE Out 60
Right R
Surface Out
Port B
Port B
Port B
Port B
Port B

D2
ACE Out 2
ACE Out 18
ACE Out 34
ACE Out 52
ACE Out 61
Sub SUB
Surface Out
Surface Out
Port B
Port B
Port B
Port B

B3
D3
ACE Out 3
ACE Out 35
ACE Out 55
ACE Out 62
Surface T80 Inputs
Input Number (Name)
A1 DSP
61 (61/62 L)
A2 DSP
62 (61/62 R)
A3
A4
A5
A6
A7
A8
Surface T80 Outputs
Output Source Number (Name)
B1 Stereo Matrix 1 (DVDRC L)
B2 Stereo Matrix 1 (DVDRC R)
B3 Main 3 (SUB)
B4 Mono Matrix 1 (MainL)
B5 Stereo Matrix 1 (DVDRC L)
B6 Stereo Matrix 1 (DVDRC R)
B7
B8 Stereo Matrix 2 (2 R)
Mixrack iDR 48 Inputs
Input Number (Name)
A1 DSP
1 (Pulpt)
A2
A3
A4 Port B
ACE Out 4 ()
A5 Port B
ACE Out 5 ()
A6 Port B
ACE Out 6 ()
A7 Port B
ACE Out 7 ()
A8 Port B
ACE Out 8 ()
B1
B2 DSP
29 (ChrL1)
B3 DSP
30 (ChrL2)
B4 DSP
Port B
31 (Chr C)
ACE Out 12 ()
B5 DSP
Port B
32 (ChrR1)
ACE Out 13 ()
B6 DSP
Port B
33 (ChrR2)
ACE Out 14 ()
B7 DSP
Port B
13 (OgnHi)
ACE Out 15 ()
B8 DSP
Port B
14 (OgnLo)
ACE Out 16 ()
C1 DSP
15 (Kick)
C2 DSP
16 (Snare)
C3 DSP
17 (HiHat)
C4 DSP
Port B
18 (Tom L)
ACE Out 20 ()
C5 DSP
Port B
19 (Tom R)
ACE Out 21 ()
C6 DSP
Port B
20 (Ride)
ACE Out 22 ()
C7 DSP
21 (Cym L)
C8 DSP
22 (Cym R)
D1 DSP
Port B
23 (MstrL)
ACE Out 25 ()
D2 DSP
DSP
Port B
24 (MstrR)
26 (Perc)
ACE Out 26 ()
D3 DSP
Port B
27 (Gtr 1)
ACE Out 27 ()
D4 DSP
Port B
28 (Gtr 2)
ACE Out 28 ()
D5 Port B
ACE Out 29 ()
D6 Port B
ACE Out 30 ()
D7 Port B
ACE Out 31 ()
D8 DSP
Port B
45 (Winds)
ACE Out 32 ()
E1
E2
E3
E4
E5 DSP
37 (Band)
E6 DSP
10 (StgVx)
E7 DSP
9 (OgnVx)
E8 DSP
12 (Piano)
F1 DSP
DSP
8 (PnoVx)
41 (DVD)
F2 DSP
DSP
11 (Keys)
42 (Video)
F3 DSP
7 (KeyVx)
F4 DSP
DSP
Port B
25 (Bass)
44 (44)
ACE Out 44 ()
F5 Port B
ACE Out 45 ()
F6 DSP
Port B
46 (46)
ACE Out 46 ()
F7 DSP
Port B
47 (47)
ACE Out 47 ()
F8 DSP
Port B
48 (48)
ACE Out 48 ()
Mixrack iDR 48 Outputs
Output Source Number (Name)
G1 Input Direct Out 12 (Piano)
G2 Input Direct Out 11 (Keys)
G3 Mono Group 1 (Organ)
G4 Input Direct Out 25 (Bass)
G5 Input Direct Out 27 (Gtr 1)
G6 Input Direct Out 28 (Gtr 2)
G7 Stereo Aux 1 (Drums L)
G8 Stereo Aux 1 (Drums R)
H1 Mono Aux 12 (Ornge)
H2 Mono Aux 13 (Yelow)
H3 Mono Aux 14 (Green)
H4 Mono Aux 15 (Blue)
H5 Mono Aux 9 (Choir)
H6 Mono Aux 10 (Stage)
H7 Mono Aux 11 (Ambnt)
H8 Mono Aux 16 (MainL)
I1 Mono Aux 1 (Mon 1)
I2 Mono Aux 2 (Mon 2)
I3 Mono Aux 3 (Mon 3)
I4 Mono Aux 4 (Mon 4)
I5 FX Unit 7 OP 6 ()
I6 FX Unit 8 OP 6 ()
I7 FX Unit 8 OP 1 ()
I8 Input Direct Out 60 (60)
Mixrack Port A (none) Inputs
Input Number (Name)
Mixrack Port A (none) Outputs
Output Source Number (Name)
Mixrack Port B (ACE Inputs
Input Number (Name)
ACE In 1 DSP
2 (Red)
ACE In 2 DSP
3 (Orange)
ACE In 3 DSP
4 (Yellow)
ACE In 4 DSP
5 (Green)
ACE In 5 DSP
6 (Blue)
ACE In 6 DSP
34 (Baptm)
ACE In 7
ACE In 8
ACE In 9 DSP
38 (CD)
ACE In 10 DSP
39 (iPod)
ACE In 11
ACE In 12
ACE In 13
ACE In 14 DSP
35 (Aud L)
ACE In 15 DSP
36 (Aud R)
ACE In 16
ACE In 17 DSP
60 (60)
ACE In 18
ACE In 19
ACE In 20
ACE In 21
ACE In 22
ACE In 23
ACE In 24
ACE In 25
ACE In 26
ACE In 27
ACE In 28
ACE In 29
ACE In 30
ACE In 31
ACE In 32
ACE In 33
ACE In 34
ACE In 35
ACE In 36
ACE In 37
ACE In 38
ACE In 39
ACE In 40
ACE In 41
ACE In 42
ACE In 43
ACE In 44
ACE In 45
ACE In 46
ACE In 47
ACE In 48
ACE In 49
ACE In 50
ACE In 51
ACE In 52
ACE In 53
ACE In 54
ACE In 55
ACE In 56
ACE In 57
ACE In 58
ACE In 59
ACE In 60
ACE In 61
ACE In 62
ACE In 63
ACE In 64
Mixrack Port B (ACE Outputs
Output Source Number (Name)
ACE Out 1 Main 1 (L)
ACE Out 2 Main 2 (R)
ACE Out 3 Main 3 (SUB)
ACE Out 4 Mix Rack Input A4 (Yellow)
ACE Out 5 Mix Rack Input A5 (Green)
ACE Out 6 Mix Rack Input A6 (Blue)
ACE Out 7 Mix Rack Input A7 (KeyVx)
ACE Out 8 Mix Rack Input A8 (PnoVx)
ACE Out 9
ACE Out 10
ACE Out 11
ACE Out 12 Mix Rack Input B4 (Piano)
ACE Out 13 Mix Rack Input B5 (OgnHi)
ACE Out 14 Mix Rack Input B6 (OgnLo)
ACE Out 15 Mix Rack Input B7 (Kick)
ACE Out 16 Mix Rack Input B8 (Snare)
ACE Out 17 Main 1 (L)
ACE Out 18 Main 2 (R)
ACE Out 19
ACE Out 20 Mix Rack Input C4 (Ride)
ACE Out 21 Mix Rack Input C5 (Cym L)
ACE Out 22 Mix Rack Input C6 (Cym R)
ACE Out 23
ACE Out 24
ACE Out 25 Mix Rack Input D1 (Bass)
ACE Out 26 Mix Rack Input D2 (Perc)
ACE Out 27 Mix Rack Input D3 (Gtr 1)
ACE Out 28 Mix Rack Input D4 (Gtr 2)
ACE Out 29 Mix Rack Input D5 (ChrL1)
ACE Out 30 Mix Rack Input D6 (ChrL2)
ACE Out 31 Mix Rack Input D7 (Chr C)
ACE Out 32 Mix Rack Input D8 (ChrR1)
ACE Out 33 Main 1 (L)
ACE Out 34 Main 2 (R)
ACE Out 35 Main 3 (SUB)
ACE Out 36 Mono Aux 7 (ChrFB)
ACE Out 37 Input Direct Out 35 (Aud L)
ACE Out 38 Input Direct Out 36 (Aud R)
ACE Out 39 Mono Aux 4 (Mon 4)
ACE Out 40 Mono Aux 5 (BDshk)
ACE Out 41 Mono Aux 6 (PCshk)
ACE Out 42 Mono Aux 7 (ChrFB)
ACE Out 43 Mono Aux 8 (Sub)
ACE Out 44 Mix Rack Input F4 (44)
ACE Out 45 Mix Rack Input F5 (Winds)
ACE Out 46 Mix Rack Input F6 (46)
ACE Out 47 Mix Rack Input F7 (47)
ACE Out 48 Mix Rack Input F8 (48)
ACE Out 49 Mix Rack Input G1 (49)
ACE Out 50 Mix Rack Input G2 (MYKE)
ACE Out 51 Main 1 (L)
ACE Out 52 Main 2 (R)
ACE Out 53 Mix Rack Input G5 (53)
ACE Out 54 Mix Rack Input G6 (54)
ACE Out 55 Main 3 (SUB)
ACE Out 56 Mix Rack Input G8 (56)
ACE Out 57 Mix Rack Input H1 (57)
ACE Out 58 Mix Rack Input H2 (58)
ACE Out 59 Mix Rack Input H3 (59)
ACE Out 60 Main 1 (L)
ACE Out 61 Main 2 (R)
ACE Out 62 Main 3 (SUB)
ACE Out 63 Mix Rack Input H7 (63/64 L)
ACE Out 64

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Bus Configuration
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Groups 2 0
Aux 16 2
FX 4 0
Matrix 2 1
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Karl

Reference Point Recording
Salt Lake City, Ut.