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  • #23610
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    GLDAlistair
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    So the eagerly awaited iPad app is out soon. What wifi router is best for connecting GLD and iPad? Is is it the same answer as for iLive?

    #33181
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    bucks
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    Hi Alistair

    R.E Best wireless A/P, it depends…

    We’ve dropped multicast support, so the UDP metering should be handled fine by most access points in a single iPad environment with good wifi coverage.

    Where things get tricky are in a multi iPad setup with poor wifi coverage. We’ve seen almost every A/P on the market have problems in this scenario. They stop pushing any traffic at all while a single client is out of range, and this can cause issues for the other ipad’s which are still in range.

    The exception to this is the Cisco A/P we recommend – have a look on the iLive downloads page. Yes its expensive, but it also works where others do not !

    So I guess it depends on your setup and the demand you’re placing on the A/P.

    Hope this helps.

    Andy
    A&H

    #33182
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    jonnyweston
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    I had the Presonus 24.4.2 for about 18 months, and had used three different routers with its superb app.

      Netgear DG834 – good for a cheap router but with limited range.

    • Sweex 2T3R – brilliant for a £20 bulletproof router with better range than the Netgear

    • Belkin N450 DB PLay – stupendously good router – available cheaply on belkin

    On one occasion I had 6 iPads (4 on stage, 2 covering front of house), and 6 iPhones (all on stage) controlling the entire setup, with not even the slightest hint at a drop on this routers.

    Hopefully the same will apply with the A&H app, but we’ll have to wait and see. They all worked brilliantly with the presonus app, which covers 24Channel feedback for the main mix, individual mix control over 10 aux outputs, 31 band channel feedback via the live live RTA to app.

    hope this helps from another perspective perhaps.
    Cheers,
    Jonny

    A&H GLD80, AR2412 & Dante Card x 2
    Korg M50, Novation SL25 MKII, Akai MPD26
    Logic Studio 9, Reason 6.5, Ableton 8

    #33184
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    jammiejammie
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    Originally posted by bucks

    Hi Alistair

    R.E Best wireless A/P, it depends…

    We’ve dropped multicast support, so the UDP metering should be handled fine by most access points in a single iPad environment with good wifi coverage.

    Where things get tricky are in a multi iPad setup with poor wifi coverage. We’ve seen almost every A/P on the market have problems in this scenario. They stop pushing any traffic at all while a single client is out of range, and this can cause issues for the other ipad’s which are still in range.

    The exception to this is the Cisco A/P we recommend – have a look on the iLive downloads page. Yes its expensive, but it also works where others do not !

    So I guess it depends on your setup and the demand you’re placing on the A/P.

    Hope this helps.

    Andy
    A&H


    So what you are saying is that it realy doesn’t matter wich AP you use in a multi Ipad enviorment, because if one is out of range, the whole system will slow down ?

    On Ilive this could be avoided using multicast, but this isn’t possible anymore on the GLD ?

    So basicly…. If i would use more than one IPad, and one goes out of range, the other IPad is going to give problems two ?

    Would this also effect the GLD surfice, as is noted in the Ilive notes of the AP selection document?

    GLD all the way ;)

    #33200
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    bucks
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    Hi Bert,

    In iLive pre version 1.9, with multicast on, and mutiple ipads connected, the behaviour if one client roams out of range depends on the Access Point. Almost all A/P’s cause the clients still in range to disconnect. The Cisco we recommend limps on but there is a noticeable drop in performance and eventually it stops working all together.

    In 1.9 without multicast and mutiple clients connected almost all A/P’s again will drop the clients still in range, but the Cisco will not. I.E it works correctly – all roaming clients still in range remain connected.

    So in short, no iLive didn’t avoid these issues by using multicast.

    As for affecting the surface, sending the metering over TCP (The old old method) can cause the threading in the Rack to pause during the time the client is out of range. This is why we switched to multicast. But as we can’t identify an access point which works well with mutiple clients roaming in and out of range, we’ve switched to straight UDP.

    Using UDP this thread lock should not exist, and it shouldn’t affect the surface or GLd too badly.

    Hope this helps.

    Andy
    A&H

    #33215
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    jammiejammie
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    Thanx Bucks for the clarification.

    Switching to UDP should solve it depending on the way the communication protocol between surface and ipad is build. I have faith ;)

    Any idea when we can expect the launch of the Ipad App ?

    GLD all the way ;)

    #33246
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    eotsskleet
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    Tomorrow it’s the last day of february… i heard about the launch of ipad-app for the end of february? hopefully waiting!

    GL2400 32CH ==> GLD-80 / AR2412 / AR84

    #33248
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    Moparcar
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    Get in line, bro. We’re all waiting for that mid Summer (2012) elease forth coming by the end of Feb 2013. Nothing like standing next to an artist onstage with my iPad and setting up a monitor mix to really make me satisfied it actually sounds like it is supposed to. Then again, that is while mixing on a Presonus. Hope to duplicate that with the GLD soon!

    “Can I get some talent in the monitor, please.”

    #33250
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    HalfBakedPotato
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    Yup – some sort of confirmation eitherway would be cool.

    I’m hoping that the news is good for today or tomorrow, got some big shows on this weekend and I could do with a bit of a play!

    Really happy with the board though, the iPad support would make it absolutely insane. The GLD80 is truely one of the best bits of musical equipment I’ve ever bought. Coming from an analogue background, it’s mindblowingly good and better than I could have ever imagined.

    #33253
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    Chris93
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    The local distributor will be at a (very) small trade show tomorrow and Friday. I suppose they might have an unreleased version running at the show, I’ll comment here if there’s any news.

    Chris

    #33268
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    byondo
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    “end of february”… which year? ;)
    no other news from A&H staff, so let’s hope that it’s just on its way, even in (the very first days of) March…

    regards
    Massimo

    #33270
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    bucks
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    Hi Guys

    We pushed the GLD Remote app to apple on Tuesday for review.

    I set the release date for today, but we’re still waiting for it to complete the review process.

    If I had to guess I’d say either the weekend very early next week.

    Keep checking the app store .

    :-)

    Hope this helps.

    Andy
    A&H

    #33272
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    HalfBakedPotato
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    Andy – do you know how good the app is on the iPad mini? I know the full blown iPad is likely to be preferable, just want to know about options.

    #33285
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    jammiejammie
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    And it’s finaly there!

    Let’s check it out :)

    GLD all the way ;)

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