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  • #23586
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    bob274
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    We have a GLD system with Behringer personal mixers. The personal mixer input requires either 16 analog inputs or 2x ADAT inputs. We currently have a DANTE card for recording and therefore use all 16 available AUX sends for outputs to the personal mixer system. Unfortunately, this is all of our aux sends…does anyone know of a better way for this system?

    #33008
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    Unfortunately, since the monitor connection does not speak the “language” of the P-16M, the way your doing it is the best way. The only other thing I know to do would be condense the amount of channels you are sending to the personal monitors by grouping things together.

    #33009
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    Question for clarification…
    Are you wanting to free up actual AUX sends (busses), or output sockets?

    If you are wanting to free up AUX sends, why not use channel direct outputs to your personal mixers. Direct outputs should not use up a buss.

    Kris
    Indiana, USA

    #33011
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    I’m wanting to free up output sockets. It’d be great to run our mains signal over the network cable to an amp on stage.

    Also, correct me if I’m wrong…direct outputs can have no effects on them?

    Is there a way to select an output point on an aux send like there is for the direct outs? For example, to send a channel to an aux with EQ, but without compression?

    #33016
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    quote:


    Is there a way to select an output point on an aux send like there is for the direct outs? For example, to send a channel to an aux with EQ, but without compression?


    I’ve done it before… now to remember how. [:D]

    In the menu of the aux bus you want to play with, try the “routing” tab. I think in there you have the option of changing the send point of any pre-fade sends to that aux. You can pick it off at any point in the signal chain I think.

    One caveat: I believe all pre-fade sends to a given aux get picked off at the same point–you can’t have one channel sending post-preamp and another post-EQ to the same aux as far as I can tell.

    #33017
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    I will take a look at that, thanks. We only have one channel to each aux, all are pre-fade. I want to allow for gate, HPF, etc. but not compression on the aux channels.

    #33021
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    I have a tip for you.

    I have 8 Stereo Sennheiser IEM sets mounted in a rack. I bought an Aviom AN-16/o (16 chanel output module) and added this to the rack.

    Connected the 16 outputs to the IEM’s and now I just need to plug in one cat5 cable from the monitor port of the AR rack to my IEM rack and thats it!

    Super easy super fast!

    GLD all the way ;)

    #33023
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    We need 16 separate output aux channels though, because it is a personal mixer system where each person creates their own mix.

    #33025
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    Originally posted by prophetsquirrel

    We need 16 separate output aux channels though, because it is a personal mixer system where each person creates their own mix.


    I think the idea is that the Aviom output module essentially gives you another 16 output sockets.

    The way it works if I understand correctly is that you take the 16 direct outs (or auxes or any combination of the two) you want available in your IEMs and route them out of your monitor cat5 port. The Aviom output module then breaks them out into 16 analog signals that plug into the Behringer system.

    In principle there’s probably some sort of Dante-to-analog converter that would do something similar, though that’s purely a guess on my part.

    #33029
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    But with the expense of an Aviom output module, couldn’t I just buy another 8/4 i/o module to get more outputs? We just need a couple more. The Aviom route seems like a waste to me. In any case, I was hoping to somehow avoid spending another $1k. :)

    #33050
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    quote:


    Originally posted by jcarter

    quote:


    Originally posted by prophetsquirrel

    We need 16 separate output aux channels though, because it is a personal mixer system where each person creates their own mix.


    I think the idea is that the Aviom output module essentially gives you another 16 output sockets.

    The way it works if I understand correctly is that you take the 16 direct outs (or auxes or any combination of the two) you want available in your IEMs and route them out of your monitor cat5 port. The Aviom output module then breaks them out into 16 analog signals that plug into the Behringer system.

    In principle there’s probably some sort of Dante-to-analog converter that would do something similar, though that’s purely a guess on my part.


    Exactly!

    You get an additional 16 outputs which can be freely assigned.

    I use 8 stereo auxes. But if i need to free more mixes, than i change it to 8 mono. I send the auxes to output 1,3,5,7,9,11,13 and 15, and i create a overall monitor mix and assign them to 2,4,6,8,10,12,14 and 16. change the beltpacks to mono, and the balance button on the beltpack becomes the balance between the overall mix and private aux.

    With the AR84 you only get 4 additional outputs instead of the 16 with an aviom. Could come in handy for analog recording or loads of other things.

    And by the way, please have a look at second hand aviom modules ;) I bought mine for $400. (please be aware that you need a new version of the output modue. You can contact aviom or AH to verify it wil. I have a V4 and works like a charm!)

    GLD all the way ;)

    #33055
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    Why not patch Direct out to sockets also?

    Not in front of desk, but thinks it might be possible to get the direct out to a socket and to 64ch io out bus.

    Carl.

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