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  • #23383
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    grandmusik
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    Hi there you I-livers.

    I have some thoughts about the waves card/system.
    Can you record or playback 64 channels and use plugins or is he limit 64 channels in total?
    Do you have to use special “soundgrid plugins” or can you use any waves plugins?

    Third qustion: witch of the plugins TDM or Native?

    Best regards Fredrik

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    #31835
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    Fab
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    Hey Fredrick,
    the limitations of the system are the 64 busses. This means you can record and process the 64 channels simultaneously (ie 64 processes AND 64 recording). When it comes to playing back, you route the output of the daw to the host multirack and job done.
    If you look at the signal path for such a system, the pickoff point for the processing is on the insert, so that signal gets then split to the daw and processing.
    If you look at waveslive.com you can see what plugins are compatible with SoundGrid. We have 3 very interesting SoundGrid bundles that cover the whole spectrum of processes, from nice toys, to pure tools.
    TDM is the license needed for SoundGrid.

    Any questions, just shout out!

    Fab



    Geek and waves live product specialist

    #31839
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    vilddyr
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    Could you elaborate FAB?

    I was under the impression that you had to return the audio to an iLive digital input, and then switch the inputs from analog to waves… What you are saying is that I can process lets say 32 channels via iLive inserts, record the same audio from the insert out on the ilive, and then throw this audio back into the iLive disk via the insert return points WITH the soundgrid processing? This I have not seen in any of your waveslive videos, but it sure sounds great :D

    How should I set up my soundgrid connections for this to work?

    #32016
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    Fab
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    Hey, really sorry for the delay…out touring a lot!
    Basically the connections are as follow for inserting an recording
    Insert send-multirack sg
    Insert send- driver
    Multirack out-insert return

    Then for playback you activate the following connections:
    Driver out- multirackSg
    MultirackSg- insert return

    As you can see the only change is the audio path in the soundgrid, not in the desk. This is the quickest way. You can create the connections and turn them on off quickly, without changing anything on the desk.

    Let me know if you need any more tips

    Fab

    FAB


    Geek and waves live product specialist

    #32040
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    vilddyr
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    eeh… You do know that almost all of the processing on the ilive channelstrips are before the insert right? That means, if you do it like you suggest, you will not hear what the desk is actually doing. You will hear the iLive processing from the day you recorded, not from the current settings, since the Insert point is last in the chain.

    Actually it’s pretty much useless for virtual soundcheck. I don’t use Waves for all processing, there’s a reason why i have the desk – it sounds good :) Waves is just for solving the few limitations of the desk and programming scenes more easily.

    AND this also rules out the ability to use the soundgrid driver for 3rd party plugs on the desk. Reverbs, Delays, Voicetuning etc.

    #32156
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    Fab
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    Hey Fredrick, I have to disagree with you regarding the processing order on the iLive system, have a look at the manual and you will see the insert point post hpf and gate, pre eq, comp etc.
    In an output the insert is pre everything.
    You can find all this lovely tech stuff on the pdf at this link.
    http://www.allen-heath.com/UK/CategoryDocuments/iLive_range_blk.pdf

    The way the insert point is represented at the top of your channel strip GUI is not correct, I assume it’s there because it’s a function you hit once during setup, not for actual operation..

    Doing the connections as I have mentioned in my previous post does not roule out any other connections you might want to have with 3rd party programs. The driver can be used by multiple programs on one machine.

    The advantage of routing all the ip via the insert point on soundgrid via multirack SG is that you can create groups of latency management, so you keep a “sample coherent” system, IE all signals are lined up to have the same latency.

    Look forward to your reply

    FAB


    Geek and waves live product specialist

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