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MON/FOH Split poormans digital

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2012/08/22 at 7:19 pm #23266

tendersound
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I know there is a way to have two surfaces and one IDR32 stage box,

could someone please break it down for me? I know i can do this with a few cables, no extra cards either.

Could someone please break it down?

Currently i have

1 IDR32
1 R-72
1 Dante Card

I want to have another control surface for monitors i dont mind using the digital trim.

Thanks!

Hmm..it must be broke!

2012/08/22 at 8:14 pm #31189

ddff_lv
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Well, I don’t think you can connect 2 surfaces to one iDR. You still need another iDR. Poor man’s option is to have GLD with Dante card as secondary surface.

ddff

2012/08/22 at 8:33 pm #31190

tendersound
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So the dante has two outs i noticed.

Could i use one for multi tracking to a pc and the other to a GLD board?

Thanks!

Hmm..it must be broke!

2012/08/22 at 8:37 pm #31191

tendersound
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I guess that raises more questions to.

How would i get my aux outs from the IDR32 if im using the GLD

Would i be able to have my kick on channel one on the r-72 and also the gld and eq them seperate or would i need a seperate layer for monitors still?

Hmm..it must be broke!

2012/08/22 at 11:21 pm #31192

ddff_lv
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Dante card has 2 sockets that can pass audio, but if you need more a simple gigabit switch will solve this. The output routing can be done via Dante, so your monitor mixes from GLD will come out of iDR. And yes- you will have complete split, each console will have separate EQ, dynamics, etc. for the same mic input.

ddff

2012/08/22 at 11:58 pm #31193

tendersound
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Thank you so much.

Why can’t the ilive be used then?

A gld is a lot cheaper and would be fine for monitors but I don’t see why an ilive would work.

Hmm..it must be broke!

2012/08/23 at 1:40 am #31194

tk2k
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quote:

Originally posted by tendersound

Thank you so much.

Why can’t the ilive be used then?

A gld is a lot cheaper and would be fine for monitors but I don’t see why an ilive would work.

Hmm..it must be broke!

See this
iliveforum.allen-heath.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=1500

Because the ilive console has no ‘brain’ for that you’d need an idr0 and an ilive console. The brain is about 9k alone as its made for the IDR modular pro series.

You could always use a gld, Yamaha Cl, or really any console that lets you use Dante. There’s no reason you have to stay in the ilive family

2012/08/23 at 2:26 am #31195

tendersound
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I shoulda kept my ls9-32!!!!!!

Hmm..it must be broke!

2012/08/23 at 8:06 am #31196

woutert
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quote:

Originally posted by tendersound

I shoulda kept my ls9-32!!!!!!

Hmm..it must be broke!

Yamaha’s Dante card is a toy: only 16 channels bidirectional )

You still have the option of using several editors together with one surface . We always route our 32 mic in to two channels in order to have a completely separate monitor mix inside ONE Mixrack.

More info:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZxcMqgXfB8

Wouter
IDR32, R72, Dante, Mixpad
laptop, TP-Link TL-WR1043ND

2012/08/23 at 8:12 am #31197

woutert
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quote:

Originally posted by tendersound
A gld is a lot cheaper and would be fine for monitors but I don’t see why an ilive would work.

Adding “an iLive” aka another mixer does work!
But a surface is just a controller, a surface IS NOT a mixer! The mixrack is the mixer…

So, yes you can connect another MixRack via Dante. To that second MixRack (whatever iDR you like, with or without I/O) you can connect your second surface.

Wouter
IDR32, R72, Dante, Mixpad
laptop, TP-Link TL-WR1043ND

2012/08/23 at 11:57 pm #31204

tendersound
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Awesome! I dont mind having two controllers for the same mixer. As long as two people are not doing the same things everything should be good correct?

How would i go about using a second ilive

Hmm..it must be broke!

2012/08/24 at 12:10 am #31205

tk2k
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quote:

Originally posted by tendersound

Awesome! I dont mind having two controllers for the same mixer. As long as two people are not doing the same things everything should be good correct?

How would i go about using a second ilive

Hmm..it must be broke!

Exactly As I said you need a second brain, aka an ilive idr0 and a surface!

You cannot use two surfaces with one mix rack brain. It doesn’t work that way.

2012/08/24 at 8:11 am #31207

woutert
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quote:

Originally posted by tendersound

Awesome! I dont mind having two controllers for the same mixer.

Me neither
Only possible with laptop editor (software) as extra controller though…

I so hope we made ourselves clear now

Wouter
IDR32, R72, Dante, Mixpad
laptop, TP-Link TL-WR1043ND

2012/08/24 at 12:51 pm #31208

parsen
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Cheapest way is to use a laptop with editor. Since you have an iDR32 you can assign mic pre 1 to input 33, 2 to 34… to have separate processing between foh and monitor. There is an excellent tutorial on the A&H website describing this. Otherwise I believe you must have at least an iDR0 to be able to do it with two services.

2012/08/25 at 5:40 pm #31212

dnxmirrorsounds
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BTW, you can use MIDI controllers with the editor. I have successfully experimented with 1 BCF2000 and, when another one comes up second hand I will see how it goes with multiples.

I am thinking that having 5 BCF2000s with an editor would be rather nice for foldback particularly with a touchscreen to choose the mix to control easily (as you can’t asign a MIDI controller to the MIX button).

This may help you.

Duncan Whitcombe
@Dnxmirrorsounds
Mirror Sounds & metrochurch
Perth, Australia
T112, iDR48x2
http://www.mirrorsounds.com.au
http://www.metrochurch.org.au
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