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  • #23266
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    tendersound
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    I know there is a way to have two surfaces and one IDR32 stage box,

    could someone please break it down for me? I know i can do this with a few cables, no extra cards either.

    Could someone please break it down?

    Currently i have

    1 IDR32
    1 R-72
    1 Dante Card

    I want to have another control surface for monitors i dont mind using the digital trim.

    Thanks!

    Hmm..it must be broke!

    #31189
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    Well, I don’t think you can connect 2 surfaces to one iDR. You still need another iDR. Poor man’s option is to have GLD with Dante card as secondary surface.

    ddff

    #31190
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    So the dante has two outs i noticed.

    Could i use one for multi tracking to a pc and the other to a GLD board?

    Thanks!

    Hmm..it must be broke!

    #31191
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    I guess that raises more questions to.

    How would i get my aux outs from the IDR32 if im using the GLD

    Would i be able to have my kick on channel one on the r-72 and also the gld and eq them seperate or would i need a seperate layer for monitors still?

    Hmm..it must be broke!

    #31192
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    Dante card has 2 sockets that can pass audio, but if you need more a simple gigabit switch will solve this. The output routing can be done via Dante, so your monitor mixes from GLD will come out of iDR. And yes- you will have complete split, each console will have separate EQ, dynamics, etc. for the same mic input.

    ddff

    #31193
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    Thank you so much.

    Why can’t the ilive be used then?

    A gld is a lot cheaper and would be fine for monitors but I don’t see why an ilive would work.

    Hmm..it must be broke!

    #31194
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    quote:


    Originally posted by tendersound

    Thank you so much.

    Why can’t the ilive be used then?

    A gld is a lot cheaper and would be fine for monitors but I don’t see why an ilive would work.

    Hmm..it must be broke!


    See this
    iliveforum.allen-heath.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=1500

    Because the ilive console has no ‘brain’ for that you’d need an idr0 and an ilive console. The brain is about 9k alone as its made for the IDR modular pro series.

    You could always use a gld, Yamaha Cl, or really any console that lets you use Dante. There’s no reason you have to stay in the ilive family

    #31195
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    I shoulda kept my ls9-32!!!!!!

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    #31196
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    quote:


    Originally posted by tendersound

    I shoulda kept my ls9-32!!!!!!

    Hmm..it must be broke!


    Yamaha’s Dante card is a toy: only 16 channels bidirectional :-))

    You still have the option of using several editors together with one surface . We always route our 32 mic in to two channels in order to have a completely separate monitor mix inside ONE Mixrack.

    More info:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZxcMqgXfB8

    Wouter
    IDR32, R72, Dante, Mixpad
    laptop, TP-Link TL-WR1043ND

    #31197
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    quote:


    Originally posted by tendersound
    A gld is a lot cheaper and would be fine for monitors but I don’t see why an ilive would work.


    Adding “an iLive” aka another mixer does work!
    But a surface is just a controller, a surface IS NOT a mixer! The mixrack is the mixer…

    So, yes you can connect another MixRack via Dante. To that second MixRack (whatever iDR you like, with or without I/O) you can connect your second surface.

    Wouter
    IDR32, R72, Dante, Mixpad
    laptop, TP-Link TL-WR1043ND

    #31204
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    tendersound
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    Awesome! I dont mind having two controllers for the same mixer. As long as two people are not doing the same things everything should be good correct?

    How would i go about using a second ilive

    Hmm..it must be broke!

    #31205
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    quote:


    Originally posted by tendersound

    Awesome! I dont mind having two controllers for the same mixer. As long as two people are not doing the same things everything should be good correct?

    How would i go about using a second ilive

    Hmm..it must be broke!


    Exactly As I said you need a second brain, aka an ilive idr0 and a surface!

    You cannot use two surfaces with one mix rack brain. It doesn’t work that way.

    #31207
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    quote:


    Originally posted by tendersound

    Awesome! I dont mind having two controllers for the same mixer.


    Me neither :-)
    Only possible with laptop editor (software) as extra controller though…

    I so hope we made ourselves clear now :-)

    Wouter
    IDR32, R72, Dante, Mixpad
    laptop, TP-Link TL-WR1043ND

    #31208
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    parsen
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    Cheapest way is to use a laptop with editor. Since you have an iDR32 you can assign mic pre 1 to input 33, 2 to 34… to have separate processing between foh and monitor. There is an excellent tutorial on the A&H website describing this. Otherwise I believe you must have at least an iDR0 to be able to do it with two services.

    #31212
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    BTW, you can use MIDI controllers with the editor. I have successfully experimented with 1 BCF2000 and, when another one comes up second hand I will see how it goes with multiples.

    I am thinking that having 5 BCF2000s with an editor would be rather nice for foldback particularly with a touchscreen to choose the mix to control easily (as you can’t asign a MIDI controller to the MIX button).

    This may help you.

    Duncan Whitcombe
    @Dnxmirrorsounds
    Mirror Sounds & metrochurch
    Perth, Australia
    T112, iDR48x2
    http://www.mirrorsounds.com.au
    http://www.metrochurch.org.au

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