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Back-UPS

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2012/05/29 at 6:26 pm #23176

Koopdaddy
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Do any of you use a UPS (Furman F1500UPS for example) as power loss protection for your digital consoles?

Is this recommended or no?

2012/05/29 at 9:51 pm #30701

Detonator
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A cheap ups is good insurance against accidental power loss or unplugging. I learned my lesson on an LS9 that got unplugged by a punter, the 20 second reboot seemed like minutes. The 2 minute-plus reboot time for an iLive surface could prove quite an embarrassment. It’s not necessary to get anything expensive for this purpose, I have a couple of 550 va APC units that fit in a small case and work fine. Something like the following should work, assuming you’re not drawing from a lot of additional equipment.

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16842101311&nm_mc=KNC-GoogleAdwords&cm_mmc=KNC-GoogleAdwords-_-pla-_-NA-_-NA

Tim Tyler
Detonator Sound
Richmond, Va USA
T112/48 R72/32 laptop iPad Dir-815 Dante

2012/05/30 at 11:05 pm #30711

gilparente
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I would have to dissagree slightly with Tim on this one. Only slightly!!!

I’ve install over 15 iLive systems and i dont think that any of them did not have a decent UPS.
Here is what i recommend.
1000va
TRUE Online – meaning , it always runs on the baterries and there is no switching time on the outputs.

The only exception that i found is the Middle Atlantic UPS that switches in 1/4 cycle, which is what i found to be the maximum acceptable time.

I always recommend getting good reliable ones, like the Furman.
Other options are, Middle Atlantic, TrippLite and Extreme Power.

Hope it helps.

Gil Parente
Design & Integration
Entertainment Arts, Inc.
iLive 176, T112
iDR48 , iDR16, iDR10
Multiple iPads
Dante
Etc..

2012/05/31 at 12:19 am #30712

Koopdaddy
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Are you familiar with Juice Goose?

2012/05/31 at 3:11 am #30713

Detonator
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Gil –

I agree with the idea that a ups, in any case, should have about twice the rated requirement of the system – in the case of the GLD, the total draw of surface, 24 ch box & 8 channel box is under 200 watts, no need for a 1000 va unit. I do the “plug pull” test every couple of months on my APC units, never had a blink. (I use two – one on each of surface & mixrack).

The companies you suggested make ranges of ups units in the 1k va capacity from $100s to over a $1000. Perhaps you could suggest specific models which you have found worthwhile.

Tim Tyler
Detonator Sound
Richmond, Va USA
T112/48 R72/32 laptop iPad Dir-815 Dante

2012/06/02 at 2:13 pm #30736

gilparente
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Hi Tim and Koopdaddy,

Tim, very diligent of you to run these tests. Good work!!

I have to confess that I was thinking iLive the whole, when it comes to power output. But in any case, I always connect my macbook Pro, Interface, Router and a few other things there as well.
At this point, I don’t think I have ever used anything under a 750.

Here are some of the models I’ve used:

Middle Atlantic UPS-1000R
https://www.middleatlantic.com/power/UPS.htm

TrippLite SmartOnline
https://www.tripplite.com/en/products/model.cfm?txtSeriesID=934&txtModelID=3194

Extreme Power – distributed by Juice Goose
https://juicegoose.com/series-xprt.html
[:p]

These are the three that I’ve used the most. With the Juice Goose been the one I used the least. Not for any reason, just availability at that time. The last one I installed was a Juice Goose and it was pretty quiet.

I’ve been curious about the furman ones:
https://www.furmansound.com/product.php?div=01&id=F1500-UPS_PRO
the 1500 is supposedly the only one that is true online.

Also wondered about some of these other power products for installations:
https://www.exactpower.com/products/rmpcore/rmpcore.aspx
https://www.furmansound.com/product.php?div=01&id=P-2400IT

Any experiences?

Gil Parente
Design & Integration
Entertainment Arts, Inc.
iLive 176, T112
iDR48 , iDR16, iDR10
Multiple iPads
Dante
Etc..

2012/06/03 at 11:11 am #30738

BILDIC
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in future is superior (batery replace cost) low cost UPS (cca 1000VA) and professional power stabilizator with filter (for example furman P-1400 AR E)

JB
Creativ line, Slovakia
GLD80,AR2412

2012/06/05 at 1:02 am #30754

StreetKirb
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What do you think about the APC SMT1500RM2U?

https://www.apc.com/products/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm?base_sku=SMT1500RM2U

And what do you think about only having the surface on the UPS? Why would the MixRack need power? I’m assuming that with power out the mains are down, we just don’t want the reboot time on the console, right?

Bryan Kirby
aka StreetKirb

2012/06/05 at 4:43 am #30758

gilparente
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I have never used the APC.

I usually UPS on both locations. But if i only have one, it goes on the rack, because it is the rack that does all the processing (mixing). That way if FOH looses power, the rack is still powered and still passing audio. Off course, im talking about iLive here.
It would fo in the console, if it was a GLD.

Gil Parente
Design & Integration
Entertainment Arts, Inc.
iLive 176, T112
iDR48 , iDR16, iDR10
Multiple iPads
Dante
Etc..

2012/06/11 at 8:56 am #30808

Rexeltw
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We have APC2000 rackmounts in with all our external PSU’s for the iLive; very stable but they weigh a bit. At least with the GLD you’ll only need one UPS at FOH not at both ends. Considering the quick (relative to iLive) boot up times I guess its a question of how much downtime the show will take…

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