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  • #22812
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    AndyH
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    Hi All,

    We have had a question come up about mixing wireless and wired network equipment with Dante in another thread. In particular, using the gigabit ports on the back of a wireless router for Dante. To make it easier, I’ve created this new thread regarding the matter.

    I have contacted Audinate about this question, and below is there answer:


    This is a complex question to answer. Dante fundamentally is one of many different types of network traffic.

    To use a more widely understood analogy, one could ask “Can I plug my analogue console into the same mains feed as the lighting dimmers?” The answer is naturally of course you can but it may well buzz, alternatively you could “Get away” with it. We all know the “right” things to do under these circumstances; ideally use a different supply, use an isolation transformer etc.

    The answer with switches and Dante is similar. Dante doesn’t travel over wireless. It is definitely possible to have a wireless setup and all kinds of other traffic running on the same network as Dante. Whether it is desirable to have this in a live entertainment environment without a backup plan is the crucial question.

    The practical response to this would be to suggest that a Gigabit ethernet switch is chosen- managed or unmanaged. There is a list of switches that people have had success with on the Audinate website, and this is in the process of being updated with some more current models as we get feedback on performance.

    If you wish to use Wireless and wired networks with a system like Dante, the best strategy is to have a physically separate wireless access point. This is for no better reason than you can easily unplug the thing if something bad starts to happen. Additional benefits are that dedicated hardware under some circumstances may have superior performance to hybrid hardware (although this is a very general statement).

    The use of a managed switch may give some advantages, as this gives you more traffic management options, which you may wish to use later, or may just solve a problem. A managed switch is like a toolbox, you may never have to use it, but it is really handy if you do need it.

    I hope this helps,

    AndyH

    #28490
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    Stix
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    Thanks Andy – I’m not to concerned about the wireless side but would like to be able to run a wired Editor session along with Dante VSC if possible. This opens up some interesting recording/control options i.e recording software internally midi linked to editor on the same laptop. I’m already achieving that on my Macbookpro but with two network connections – Dante wired and wireless for Editor. I’ve got the iLive Dante record feeds set to preamp outs and set to follow fader, then my custom Logic environment faders can control the record levels for each channel via Editor running in the background. This set up will also allow the reverse to happen – fader moves etc on an iLive mixer while recording can also be recorded as midi data so on playback you can exactly mirror the fader moves made during a recording/ performance. Record the scene change midi data also from the rack and you have not just virtual sound check – you almost have virtual performance!

    Cheers

    Richard Howey
    Audio Dynamite Ltd
    IDR48/IDR16/T112/R72/Mixpad, dual M Dante/DVC

    #28491
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    woutert
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    Originally posted by Stix

    …I’m not to concerned about the wireless side but would like to be able to run a wired Editor session along with Dante VSC if possible…


    Hi Richard, no problem whatsoever. Editor traffic is zero compared to 64 channels of audio back and forth.
    When I was recording those 32 channels in Cubase I was also running an editor session over the same connection.

    Wouter

    #28493
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    woutert
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    Another benefit of using a separate wireless AP next to your gigabit router is that you can buy one that supports Power of Ethernet (PoE) giving you more freedom to place it without a cable mess.

    Wouter

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    Stix
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    quote:


    Originally posted by woutert

    quote:


    Originally posted by Stix

    …I’m not to concerned about the wireless side but would like to be able to run a wired Editor session along with Dante VSC if possible…


    Hi Richard, no problem whatsoever. Editor traffic is zero compared to 64 channels of audio back and forth.
    When I was recording those 32 channels in Cubase I was also running an editor session over the same connection.

    Wouter


    Ahhh- thanks Wouter. I was aware of the low data requirements for editor but just wasn’t sure on how to link the two networks. I didn’t think you could join the iLive network to the Dante gigabit network without slowing it down? So can you confirm you are doing this via your TP-Link router?

    Cheers

    Richard Howey
    Audio Dynamite Ltd
    IDR48/IDR16/T112/R72/Mixpad, dual M Dante/DVC

    #28495
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    woutert
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    Hi Richard,

    Yes, using the TP-LINK. (was also one of the reasons that I originally asked A&H to consider implementing Dante)

    Moreover, in a lot of cases you won’t even need more than a 100Mbit network, 1 channel equals around 1,1Mbit/s. (48000*24)
    Suppose you’re only recording 32 channels, that should still be less than 40Mbit/s.

    I think Audinate means that the lines that carry audio should better all be 1000Mbit to assure the best performance. Obviously, the line between Mixrack network and the router doesn’t carry any audio as audio is passed via unicast between the Dante card’s IP address and the IP address of the recording computer.

    Wouter

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