Hi Andy – The iLive does send and receive midi for faders,mutes, DCA assign, name/colour and scene program changes so yes you can use a midi controller with moving faders – provided it can send/ receive the correct midi data. I have developed a custom environment in logic audio to convert the ilive midi data to work with a logic control (LC). This should also work with a BCF2000 if in logic control mode. With the LC bank keys you can access every channel of the iLive and the faders will all be recalled to their current position. My environment also offers some powerful other features when used with a logic/Mackie control – such as LC channel strip naming to match the iLive, a DCA solo mode, custom assignable strips (put what ever strips you need on the LC surface), DCA assignments, direct access to DCA’s , master fader, Scene recall plus 32 independent fader/mute scenes etc. The LC can be used as an extension to the ilive surface or stand alone with the editor/laptop (with midi connections from the mixrack). When using with a wireless Laptop I can also connect MIDI and 2 ch Audio to/from the mixrack over a single Cat5 cable (via USB extensions) to a Tascam US122 sound card. Check out these screen shots over at Pro Sound Web: https://srforums.prosoundweb.com/index.php/fa/25411/0/ https://srforums.prosoundweb.com/index.php/fa/25413/0/

The ilive Midi Spec can be found Here: https://www.ilive-digital.com/Downloads/iLive%20MIDI%20specification%20V1.3.pdf

I am intending to get some video uploaded to U-tube of the software/LC in use but I’ve been to busy to get it done! The requirements to get it to work are a 2×2 midi interface (1 Midi in/out for the LC, 1 Midi In/out to the iLive), Logic Audio (PC or MAc), plus a Logic Control or Mackie control universal in Logic control mode. If anyone is interested in this then let me know.

Graham – Interesting idea of using another iLive surface as a controller -Hopefully A&H will clarify if that could be done.

Hello All

The multiple surface to single mix rack is something on the to do list, but unfortunately at this time we don’t support it.

It is possible to connect two surfaces to the same rack, but the surfaces will not behave as you would expect. For instance its not possible to select different channels on each surface, as the processing on both desks will be the last channel selected on either desk.

Sounds confusing, but there are a number of gotchas which are not obvious the first time you connect both surfaces.

If you feel this is an important feature, feel free to shout and it may make its way up the priority list !

Have a good Christmas everyone.

Andy
A&H

Hi Graham

Other possible issues off the top of my head would be 2 surface of different types, or 2 surfaces of the same type with different I/O cards fitted connecting to the same rack. Either of these will confuse the preamp / trim settings, as each surface informs the rack of its local I/O cards at boot up, therefore the last surface to boot will win. The Rack is only aware of a singular surface, so there is a potential conflict there.

Like I said before its not something we support or recommend. If you have the hardware and want to give it a go and can cope with the oddities, then let us know how you get on, but your off piste so to speak !

Ill make sure the multi surface support is added to the list.

Andy
A&H

The request for two surfaces working with one MixRack is usually for the two engineer FOH/Monitors situation. Two surfaces, one brain. Here you would need independent channel selection. As Andy says this is not supported yet but on the list for future release.

A couple things to remember: First, you could use a smaller MixRack as the second brain if you are using a digital mic split to link them. That would make it more affordable and compact. Both racks could live in the same case. Second, you can achieve a two surfaces, one brain system using your laptop as a ‘virtual surface’. That lets two engineers carry out independent tasks at the same time using the one MixRack, for example FOH and monitor mixing.
Hope that helps,
Carey

Hey Richard,

very interesting thing. I was thinking about a similar thing – adding a (cheap) Behringer BCF2000 as fader for let’s say vocal, rev and delay or so.

But I didn’t manage to send all 3 strings needed to adress channel, select function (there fader) and send value.

I’m logic user too, so you’re solution seems to be very smart (though your able to switch between differen channel which one can’t even do with a PL6!).

But I’m not very familiar with the environment thing. So would you give me some hints?

This are my main qustion:

– I asume you create a “dummy” audiochannel in Logic for every iLive-channel you want to control, so the Logic-Control can handle the channels via these dummies ?
– If so, how can an audiochannel create needed mididata (or even basic data, that can be used for a transformer)
– How can you sent all 3 strings needed? Is it just a macro including 3 transformers?

I know it needs a lot know how to create such an enviroment like you did, but I would be thankful if you can share a little bit of your knowledge.

Regards Peter

IDR48/T112

I finally have the LC-iLive video done. Check it out to see how a Mackie Control can be used as additional faders/mutes, scene control and even for sequencing fader movements with the iLive. The Mackie has banks and quick keys to access all 128 iLive channels,FX,DCA’s and mix faders. It uses a Logic environment to interface between the computer and iLive MIDI I/O and is designed to run in conjunction with the editor software. Let me know your thoughts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhMbfmfpPoQ

Richard
IDR48/T112

Richard,

That is awesome! I’m relatively new to Logic having recently made the switch from Pro Tools so I can see that I have a lot to learn about not only its music creation capabilities but also show control potential! Two quick questions:

Do you know if Logic Pro 9 for Mac has the features to accomplish this (It seems that the 8 release changed a lot about the program)?
Is it possible to still acquire an old Logic 5.5 or later for the PC, and can you direct me to a source?

I bet if you posted your environments online with a donation box you would see some return.

Thanks!

M. Jason Pruzin
Sound Designer/Engineer
Arkansas Repertory Theatre