Hello,

I would like a remote application running on Android!

And ofcourse the scene+1 button or auto increment function for scene recall on the desk…….

Thanks

Gijsbert
t112/idr32

bleh no thanks, they are pretty unprofessional!

So do you know any professional engineer that can kill multiple unexpected feedback frequencies in less than 0.3 of a second? It takes longer than that to reach for the master foldback DCA!
And no matter how good you think you are – sooner or later you will have unexpected feedback – like when someone trips on a mic stand and the mic lands on the monitor! I believe there is a place for feedback suppressors for this reason alone. Not to mention that these consoles are destined to a very wide range of end users including Church’s/Schools etc who don’t necessarily have experienced operators at hand! Having said that I can’t see them being included anyway as they are fairly processor hungry and the iLive CPU probably doesn’t have enough spare processing available? If on the other hand they could be included and worked well then why not? Just bypass them and you can still claim to be professional!

Cheers

Richard Howey
Audio Dynamite Ltd
IDR48/IDR16/T112/R72

I’m with Richard on this one – I’ve never used them, but have always had some sort of RTA in the rack, now I have them on every output! Anyway, for an engineer mixing multiple sends of monitors on a loud stage from FOH, I don’t see any issue with it being “unprofessional” to use something like that (especially in say a festival situation where your inputs change constantly & correct gain structure is difficult to nail in the 10 minutes you’ve got to get a new band up & running). I’ll admit, I probably wouldn’t use it, but if there’s enough processing headroom for it I’d say its a viable addition, particularly for the church/school market (lets face it, anything that gets more of these systems out there is eventually beneficial to all of us “pro” users in lower costs products & greater network support).

I’d imagine monitors being the only place you’d ever consider patching something like that (again, I’m talking about non-professionals getting the most use out of a feature like this)…still, for a church with a bunch of roving lavalier mikes…. as far as the audience is concerned bad sound is probably preferable to screaming feedback!

It takes about one day to educate non-professionals not to get feedback and with ilive it’s quit simple to preprogram a show or scene without the worst frequencies. Remember, ilive is a professional system wich give the professional audio engineer the possibilities to even make it monkey proof, should you further extend that system to provide reasonable sound to non-professionals? I’m open to any improvement but i will never use a feedback killer or something like auto-eq….unless A&H designs the ultimate feedback killer! (they will, someday, together with the “you-will-never-sing-out-of-tune-button” or the “girlfriend-of-the-lead-guitarist-will-hear-the-solo-louder-than-everyone-else-switch”)

Just kidding…

Whew – Thank you Kentlowt. I occasionally patch them accross monitors at sound check time – ring the monitors with overall level only and let the feedback eliminator notch a few bands of narrow q freq’s – then I either lock the unit or copy those narrow notch’s to the iLive parametrc EQ. You can achieve great results that you just cannot achieve with a 1/3 oct eq and they quickly give you the exact freq, Q and cut required. Now I know there are issues with them – they will notch any sine wave based audio source (intentional guitar feedback, some keyboard synth sounds, whistle/ flute type sounds and they also degrade sound quality slightly but if you use them with mic sources only at sound check/monitor ring out then I see them as a valuable information tool that is way more accurate than a 1/3 octave RTA. As an experienced engineer I can pick the freq of a tone within a few hz of a 1/3 oct band – but I know of no engineer that can get to the accuracy that they can offer – 1/60th of an octave! There is a place for them if you take the time to work out how to use them in a professional way.

Cheers

Richard Howey
Audio Dynamite Ltd
IDR48/IDR16/T112/R72

My approach in monitor situation is to have SAT Live or Smaart running in RTA mode with 1/24 oct. setting in parralel to control wedge. So I can see what’s wrong there and do some PEQ or GEQ there.

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