I think I was complaining some time ago or maybe just thought I should- today I recalled a show into iDR32 from user shows directory in R72 (both running FW 1.94) that was saved 2 days ago and found some channels have HPF setting similar to their neighbour channels- i.e. Bass has 200 Hz just as OH, that is previous channel. Not sure if anything else was different, but the HPF issue was most obvious. And I’m 100% sure I did not do it.
The flow of operations was following: I worked a show just on iDR via iPad two days ago, after the show took the mixrack to warehouse, connected to the R72 and saved the show. Then I recalled different show and sent it out. Today it came back, I connected the R72, saved the other show and recalled my show. I did not check if I have wrong HPF settings or not, just flipped layers to find that it really looks like my show and all the channels are there. I shut down the mixrack and took it to venue along with iPad (no R72). During the soundcheck I found out the bass is really thin and I was quite surprised to find that strange HPF. Then I checked all the channels and found two more channels with obviously incorrect HPF.
Next time I’ll pay more attention if PEQ, dynamics, mix levels and assignments are also affected.
Does anybody have had issues like this? Any known cure or workarround?
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obucek –
The APC Back-ups mentioned by Andreas is perfectly fine. I started using an APC desktop model about 7 years ago after an unfortunate unplugging incident with my LS9, and have used the APC 500 VA units on my T112/idr48 and R72/idr32 since, 500 +- shows. I perform the “pull the cord” test 2-3 times a year and have NEVER seen any of the consoles as much as blink. It’s important that you pull the cord once a year or so and make sure the power maintains for at least 5 minutes, as a failing battery can often handle battery output for a few seconds and then cease.
Real world experience, not conjecture.
Cheers,
-Tim T
How about the real thing? I’m selling an R72/idr32 system, I’m ready to accept an offer. I don’t take lowball offers personally, you won’t insult me! US sale only…
R72/idr32 for sale
Cheers,
Tim Tyler
Allen & Heath iLive R72 surface and IDR32 mixrack, both bought new and in EC.
-R72 is the rackmountable mixing surface of the iLive line.
iLive-R72
-idr32 is a 6 RU mixrack (the “brains” of the system), mixing 64/32 channels in/out, 8 fully assignable stereo FX processors, more.
iDR-32
This includes a Gator G-Tour rack case for the R72 and an 8 RU rack for the idr32 and the short cat5 connector.
This system is very versatile with freely assignable inputs and outputs, 8 Stereo FX processors, 16 DCAs, 8 Matrix, etc.
Asking $8200 OBO for all, plus shipping.
Cheers,
-Tim Tyler
(804) 272-8235
jotylerjr@juno.com
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USA
Hello,
Recently added an m-dante card to my Idr32/r72 system mainly for multi-track recording.
Studied the A&H youtube videos which were quite helpful. Performed flawlessly.
My question is about choosing what the m-dante card uses as it’s source. I was not sure if I should choose mix rack input or input direct out for my recording channels or if there is actually any difference between the two if the direct out is globally set to pre hpf. I did a quick visual comparison of levels for each source and the seemed very similar if not the same.
What source should be used if virtual sound check is desired.
Can I find more information on m-dante recording specific to ilive?
Thanks,
John
A list off the top of my head: I’m sure there’s more.
More IO (64/32 vs 48/20)
Wider variety of FX
Can mix and match surface(s) and (modular) mixrack(s) to suit budget and application
Extra dynamics processor on each channel and each bus
IIRC more sidechaining options for dynamics
More remote control options (eg PL-Anet, control mixrack via PC with no surface on the network)
More dedicated controls on surface (except r72\t80)
Redundant PSU (some surfaces)
I have a feeling there’s some extra digital IO as standard on some surfaces too, but not sure
Whether these things are worth the extra $ for your application is an entirely different matter. Be aware that there are some things the GLD does that the ilive doesn’t, eg the USB 2-track playback.
HTH
I’ve tried setting it up like that too, I had 12 inputs on Bank 1 layer A, and a further 8 on bank l layer B. I had a layer on bank 2 that showed me the same 8 inputs as on bank 1 layer B so I could “extend” bank 1 when i didn’t need to see the masters. I liked it well enough.
There’s a video about of someone mixing an orchestra on a 12 fader iLive R72, he set up the softkeys to recall scenes that only changed the console strip assign, so they functioned like super-powerful layer buttons.
Chris
I am not going to debate the difference, and yes there are differences I agree, but (as I said) *for my needs* it didn’t make sense to continue an investment in the iLive series. The X32 is a very feature rich board (regardless of what you may think of it) at a fraction of the cost. I think A&H are also well aware of this and thus their emphasis in the Que and GLD product lines. I can even get a Midas Pro 1 cheaper than a basic iLive system (iDR-16 with R72).
I don’t know how it happened but it did. I accidentally hit delete. Distracted for a second as I was about to archive a show on my R72, I looked down to see my user show directory disappear with all my shows. I definitely got lazy with backing up to thumb drive.
Probably a silly question, but is there any way to undo delete?
Thanks
I’m not impressed by who is using an iLive system for their tour. I don’t care about that, I’m not making money with their tours. The bitter thing is I bought two systems from the top line and I get the WORST support of all A&H systems at the moment. No new features for now. I loose more and more customers because they are missing features on the iLive systems from other manufacturers have or even the GLD has. At the moment I can’t charge more for an iLive system than other companies around charge for GLD systems.
Please A&H, you have to reconsider your priorities. Top class products deserve top class support and development, but currently it’s the other way around. Qu gets release after release. Is this fair to us who have paid four to ten times the price of a Qu and paid for a long time basic thing like an iPad app? I don’t think so. If things stay the way they are, fulfilling none of the suggestions we as users have, I will sell the iLives and the replacement surely won’t be from A&H, because I’m only fooled once!
Some easy noticeable basic things:
It is not our fault that the same number of people previously only resposible for iLive now have to develop for three systems. The system was sold with a promise of continuing development. If the system is now at the end of possible development because the hardware is maxed out, offer us an UPGRADE path (NOT a downgrade path to GLD or Qu if we want features like multitracking, better useability etc.) and inform us about it in advance. A nice first thing would be a replacement for the R72, which is a bad joke for the price compared to what one gets buying a Qu16. New surfaces all around next, incorporating new ideas for handling other manufacturers already have. Getting rid of ACE in the process and using Dante instead. There’s much to do, but at the moment it seems A&H doesn’t like to play with the big boys anymore. Well we’ll see…
My Qu-16 fits perfect in my rental company –> small, ease of use, high quality and works perfect with dSnake! If I need more, i would rather take the GLD-80 with me than a Qu-24 or Qu-32! This products only make sense if it comes down to the price – where a GLD is too expensive! Next featured products should be either a 19″ GLD with enough knobs on the surface (not like the R72) or the iLive2!
iLive2 with a special price for the iLive users.. i can understand the iLive users are disappointed that there are more features released for the GLD and Qu than for the iLive! But i also know that the engineering platform isn’t the same – that’s why it isn’t that easy to adopt the features 1:1 to the old iLive! And before A&H has to develope more features for iLive i would rather see a new console with faster software and touchscreen (like the GLD) but not with the limitations like Channel-Count! Bundled with a special replacement-deal – i think everyone would be happier than “just a further feature like the transient controller”! (I like to compare it with the best notebook ever that was released 10years ago.. you can still update RAM and Disk-Space – but after a few years the prozessor, display etc. isn’t anymore the “best”! Solution is either to stay with a solid work-horse that worked great over years with the high quality of A&H or get a newer – faster – more powerful console like the iLive2 will be!)
I thought about proposing it in the GLD range, too. But I see some problems with that. First of all, the features of the Qu32 would be enough. Yes, more FX slots would be nice, but many other things aren’t necessary for a 19″ device. Also the GLD offer only a very small amount of onboard preamps with XLR, limiting flexibility which is the essential thing I am after in a 19″ mixer. I’d also fear a GLD range 19″ unit would be made in the image of the R72, a thing I wouldn’t like at all. Only 12 faders and no channel strip at all? The good thing about the Qu series is that you can give tese mixers to anyone. Even digiphobes would grasp the concept. An R72 with almost no physical knobs is much more complicated to handle.
Also, yes, one could say the Qu is one fader per socket, but it wouldn’t be fully true. Just think of the stereo ins, the FX returns etc. It already causes a need to switch layers. So why not 16 faders (plus master fader) with more layers and for the money saved on another 16 faders and 16 preamps with XLR some simple displays? I think many people would even consider buying a Qu32 Compact if they’d only need a Qu16, because at the moment the Qu16 is the only realistic option for a 19″ digital mixer from A&H. (I know one could buy a R72 and an iDR16, but look at the price and still, the R72 is far worse to use).
Yes, it is true. Or at least it feels like its true. Just take the QuPad app which is FREE. It’s more responsive, easier to handle and more robust in terms of WiFi drop outs than the iLive app for which I paid a lot of money. Even compared with other systems like X32 the iLive app can do many things less. And still those other apps are free. The reasoning for charging nearly 100 bucks for the app was that it replaces a surface. But it doesn’t. No FX editing, no routing, no… So the PC editor could replace a surface, because it can do all that and much more. Oddly enough it’s FREE.
To get back to the point: The app is a great example for what’s wrong with the iLive system. I own two complete systems. But sometimes I have to be envyous seeing what a GLD or X32 and in some cases even a Qu can do. And the iLive is still supposed to be top of the line! I have a very strong feeling that the iLive is pretty much abandoned right now. Some of the V1.9 features were missing the point why people wanted them, pthers come at a price too high to use them regularly. It’s so sad… A&H adds more and more products to the digital lines and the same people seem to be programming the software, which means less time is spent on enhancing the iLive software. See the pricing, look at what you get for a used iLive system. If I sell my T80 and iDR32 I couldn’t even afford a new GLD80, yet I’m supposed to pay triple of what a Qu16 costs for a R72, a surface with less knobs, less motor faders, far worse usability and no DSP power at all. Being an iLive user sucks right now. Would you care to fix that, A&H?
+1 to a rackmountable, high channel count, flexible layers and easily networked mixer. I would like the same set of features… But I think they fit in the GLD series more than the QU. QU is a fixed format, 1 fader per socket console.
I agree with the final product, just want to be realistic with where it fits in the A&H family.
As I’ve posted elsewhere, I would love to see a GLD R72 similar in design to the ilive R72. If priced near the QU-32, it would be a no brainer.
scribble strips would definitely put the QU series above other entry digital mixers like the Si Expression (I’m going to ignore the x32 in this conversation…). I would be interested in a QU if it had channel naming on the screen. That would be enough for me.
Unfortunately, it doesn’t, so I am holding out for a GLD-R72 to add to my GLD systems.
