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Thanks for the note Chris.

Red is bad, but if it’s not audible it it’s not really a problem. What sort of input levels do you have coming into all your other channels? Do you run the drums extremely loud in the mix?

I try and keep the meters around 0dB, but I’ll admit the 2 drum channels were well above that typically around 6dB. For last nights gig, I reduced the gain by 2dB on every input channel so theoretically the overall mix would stay the same. Then I just bumped the main fader up a tad. This seemed to work fine and I only saw the meters hit the red on a couple of occasions.

What vocals mics do you use and how much gain do have set on them?

We’re using all Audix OM5’s except for the lead singer who’s running a Sennheiser 935. I just checked and we’re running 16dB – 18dB gain on all the mics.

If you can’t get stuff loud enough without running into clipping it would suggest a lack of gain in your PA. How much headroom have you got left in the PA after the GLD clips? If you can turn the PA up and turn the GLD down that should take care of the problem. You could also put a limiter on the drum channels. Turn the input gain down 6dB, set a limiter at -6dBFS shortest attack and release, highest ratio, and put 5dB of output gain on it. It won’t clip but will affect the sound.

I’m not quite following you on setting the limiter Chris. You suggested ‘Turn the input gain down 6dB, set a limiter at -6dBFS”. I’m assuming the -6dBFS would be the threshold setting. Is that right?

Clipping the main outs could certainly make it sound “less articulate”, but it’s unlikely to be the issue if it’s only “tickling the red when the snare is hit”. Stupid suggestion, but if something was “drifting in and out of phase” I’d be having a look at the FX rack. 🙂

It’s interesting that you mentioned the FX Chris. Saturday, I auditioned the recording from our Friday gig and I found the FX on the vocals to be a bit much so I backed them off. But I also noticed I had the ‘2 Tap Delay’ selected for the delay on vocals. I hit the ‘link’ button to revert to a single delay and that cleaned it up a lot. When we got to the gig on Saturday night, I played back our Friday recording with the few tweaks I had made. Then I made a couple adjustments on the GEQ. A very minor boost at 2.4GHz really made things sparkle nicely. So I’m not really sure what those reports were all about on Friday night, but Saturday night we got nothing but positive comments and many of the patrons were blown away by the excellent sound quality.

But just to make sure I don’t hit the red, I’m going to boost the gain on the PA speakers. Presently the subs are set and noon, and the tops about 1 o’clock so I’ve got lots of headroom left there. Many thanks for your input.

Do you record the shows?