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Originally posted by Jens Droessler

I can understand that iDR10 and iDR0 users are upset because v1.9 probably won’t run on their iDRs. But the facts are: You got a working system with v1.83, and v1.9 will add features you didn’t pay for when you bought the system. You bought it for what it was and not for what it COULD become. If A&H had decided not to bring these features to the iLive, you wouldn’t complain about a mandatory hardware update, because you couldn’t! A&H could instead have announced an iLive2 with these features, they didn’t. Things just get outdated, that’s life. My three years old TV doesn’t do 3D, shall I call the manufacturer now and complain about that? Of courde not. I’d have to buy a new one. But A&H did it the other way, they give you the possibility to swap just the outdated part for a reasonable price. I think that’s a very nice kind of doing business!

About the new features:
I understand most of them are running in beta phase in the labs already. The multiband compressor and the dynamicEQ will run as an effect block in one of the eight effects slots, as it seems. But will they make use of the enhanced effects input/output features introduced in v1.8 (IIRC) or will they only be stereo or even mono? That would be a real bummer. To put a multiband on say each of four vocal channels I would need four effects slots. No can do!
Also, I don’t think I’d need four dynamic EQ bands per instance of the effect. One would be enough for me. Same thing applies here as for the multiband compressor: I hope we can route multiple channels independently to each instance/effect slot. Better yet IMO would have been if the dynEQ would have been an option for the limiter/deesser section per channel (yes, we couldn’t use all the options via the hardware knobs, but I wouldn’t mind. Also one band only, but that would be enough), making it a limiter/deesser/dynEQ section. So the things I ask for would be the whipped cream on the update. I will have fun toying with it anyway :)

Firstly, both the iLive and iLiveT are current models. The iLive costs roughly more than twice that of the T and is sold as “top of the line”. I also don’t think early adopters should be disadvantaged. If the iLive was not a current model then its different, in which case I don’t think there should be any expectations regarding software up-dates.

For the iLive to compete in the top end of the market there are certain extra functions that it needs in 2012, not necessarily functions I personally need, but function my customers are demanding, functions that most of the completion has.

From what I have now been told about the approximate price and delivery time of a new CPU, I don’t have a problem. B U T when it looked like only the T would get 1.9 and not its big brother, I wasn’t too happy. If the iLive CPU was not going to be up-grade, it had some serious implications for the product and my business. This all could have been much smoother if AH had given us or their distributor a bit of a heads up so to speak … not difficult.

FWIW one of the things I think A&H may not be getting quite right is upgrading the firmware based on the wish list of some of their customers. This board doesn’t always reflect the bigger picture. I know that seems completely stupid at first, but you need to think about it a bit.

In simple terms, people that bought the iLive, bought it because it did what they needed – so of course they are happy. The question that A&H should be asking is – what is it that people who didn’t buy the iLive want, and what can they do to change that situation.

This is part of what they need to do if they are to expand their sales and rider acceptance. And yes, I know it’s not as simple as board functions, but it’s part of what’s needed, and 1.9 will address a lot of them I hope.

Regarding your suggestion about the Dynamic EQ on all channels as – one band – limiter/deesser/dynEQ section, I suggested that about 3 or 4 years ago when I bought my first iLive … Great idea!!! If they had that, and tidied up the scene management so it’s a bit more intuitive especially for a first time operator a couple of years ago, I would not have been getting so frustrated when people were picking an M7 over an iLive 144 because they thought it was a better desk. (compared to an iLive they have limited functions and sound like [xx(])

Anyway … if you need that sort of function, Digico offer Dynamic EQ on all channels, Midas do it as part of the Effects rack as does the Yamaha CL range, and AVID do it as a plug in. I think Digico does it by allowing you to dynamically control one or more of the bands in the normal EQ section, not unlike your suggestion for the Deesser.

To repeat my first post … “That [1.9] looks absolutely fantastic! Thank you.

I am hoping they have also tidied up the scene management a little, and maybe added pop DCA function.”